At E3 while checking out Left 4 Dead 2, I had a chance to talk to a few of the game’s developers at Valve. Amongst questions about the game, I snuck in a bit asking why Valve won’t develop for the PS3. It’s not because they’re a small studio, it’s because the PS3 is too complex. Game designer Tom Leonard had this to say:
The PC and the 360 are just more straightforward. We can focus on what we want to do, which is make game experiences, instead of sweating bullets over obscure architectural decisions they make with their platform. [...] I didn’t come into this business in the 90s because of some technical fetish. I came in because I wanted to give people experiences that made them have fun.
That’s not to say the PS3 doesn’t have some fun games, but Valve chooses to take the route of less resistance. And with Sony saying the PS3 is intentionally hard to to develop for, Valve might have a point. But I think they’re choosing the Xbox 360 because of the similar architecture and coding as PC gaming, which is their bread and butter. Either way, don’t expect Valve games to grace your PS3 anytime soon.
seriously, why are people trying to play FPS games on a console? That is like golfing with with a tennis racket. Makes no damn sense. L4D would suck just as bad on a ps3 as it does on xbox. if any of you cared about where a game is truly supposed to be played, no one would be arguing. FPS = PC only until consoles release a REAL mouse/keyboard peripheral.
It seems to me that more and more third-party developers are able to make fun ‘experiences’ on the PS3 despite it’s complex architecture. Valve are just Microsoft/PC fanboys, which is fine, but they try to pretend as if they are prevented from still making these fun “experiences” which is certainly not the case when I look at so many great multiplatform games on the PS3. What Valve is interested in is making a sequel for Left 4 Dead so soon instead of making a new episode for Half-Life, which is the “experience” their fans actually want. They are just a bunch of hypocrites and I could care less about their games to be brutally honest.
These comments make me cry.
It’s too hard. Boo Hoo… pussies
valve is easily one of the best developers out there. I love all of their games and I can’t wait to get my hands on l4d2. I love how so many people on this blog have the balls to accuse valve of being a lazy developer, when it’s unlikely any of you have ever written a real piece of software. Being a software engineer myself I can see where valve is coming from. Hardware should not get in the way of innovation, it should facilitate it. Sony created a very powerful machine that is almost impossible to take advantage. Sony’s architecture requires developers to focus heavily on multi-threading, and that is one of the most difficult things to do in software
I dont get it. If they said the PS3 is too complicated why are people defending them by saying that they can easily do it. Valve probably can do it too. And I highly doubt its because they’re too lazy to do it. That’s a retarded thing to say. The people that commented and said that Valve doesnt want to develop for the PS3 becuase theres no profit in it must have been dropped as a baby. Not developing for a console this generation is equivalent to losing money. I dont remember that PS3 owners dont buy games. I think the real reason is because they got paid off by Microsoft. That is probably the only reasonable thing that would’nt let them develop for the PS3.
I hate mouse and key board, wheres the challenge? I guess that why theres game pads out for PC lol. BTW PC freaks split fish look it up
Valve is one of the most overrated developers. All you f4gs at Valve know how to do is make the same old bullsh!t FPS games over and over and over again. Sony’s first party games sh1t all over Half-Life and L4D games.
It’s funny that no one blames Sony. A lot of developers felt the same way when the PS3 was released. It has gotten better, but it is still harder. Sony has started to help themselves with things like the PhyreEngine, but because of last gen, Sony thought they could get by like they did last time without offering much support. Most gamers don’t get the fact that developing is still a business. Sony takes 3 or 4 years to develop some of their games(Killzone,Heavy Rain,GT5). Most developers can’t afford to put that much time in. Especially on new IP. When the PS4 does come out Sony will be ahead of the curve and offer good tools on day one. Either that or drop into 3rd place permanently. Or out completely. They just sold bonds to pay off other bonds. That’s the equivalent of using a credit card to pay off another. If you fanboys really love Sony, you’ll buy more games. They obviously need the cash bad.
valve is lazy that’s why there seem like there using the same game engine from hlf2 lazy lazy dev
Do all you fanboys rub your cock while hating on M$? And I have one of each, prefer the 360 and pc games, and would like to see the coding skills of any of you calling this guy (who I think is simply a douch) lazy. I feel dumber for looking at this article, and plan on never reading the comments here ever again. Only a third of you can even come close to spelling, or commenting without using the fukc fked f.ck lameness. Go ahead and bag on me all you want, I’ll never see the retarded dog vomit spelling or the unoriginal attacks on my manhood. I’m older than most of you queers and could buy half of you and will undoubtedly die happier. Exept for the stoners in this incestuous little orgy of hatred.
In other words they are lazy developers. If they want to be console exclusive that’s fine but this reasoning is just plain lame. It makes me lose respect for them as developers. They just don’t sound like developers that can push the envelop if they are not willing tackle challenges. There are plenty of more independent studios that have made games multiplatform and they have less money than Valve.
sorry I meant – they just don’t sound like developers that can push the envelop if they are not willing tackle challenges.
thank god for gabe newell and valve. they’re the perfect bunch of geniuses who care less for consoles with nothing to offer. it’s why they don’t even bother at all all with sony and it’s shitty products. i’ve played kz and it’s other generic, plagiarized game concept of a sequel and also played the other p.o.s game called uncharted and it not only LOOKED but the gameplay also played like E.T. on the atari2600. it was pure p.o.s lmao i’m like, wtf kinda control scheme and gameplay mechanics did they do here? i thought E.T. was worst game of all time in the history of video games..hell, make that in the history of all games whether it’s a video game, board game, pretend game, etc, etc,. but the kz games and the uncharted games are just utter shit. they tried so hard to copy everything that’s good in the greatest games of all time like halo, gears, cod, half-life, quake, doom and unreal tourney but they still couldn’t make games better than the E.T. game on the atari2600. thank god for gabe newell and valve for making excellent games everytime. just leave the losers to sony. lmao
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[...] Valve Shuts out “Too Complicated” PS3 [Loot Ninja] [...]
Anyone who say that porting is easy from one platform to another has never work for a game development before.
Heck, even their CEO said that their console is intentionally hard to develop for. http://news.cnet.com/sony-ps3-is-hard-to-develop-for-on-purpose/
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aww… that suck. in my opinion valve game is good on pc anyways. if i cant get the game on ps3 i would just get on pc. f 360 that shit is a cheap shit. i had 1 360 and put that shit in the trash. well anyways, bye
that just proves what i was thinking valve are to lazy.
theve gone the way of EA and capcom, money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money.
thats all they care about what hapend to the good old days where valve use to take there time and produce a perfect product like the original half life series.
theve just gone greedy and adding a expantion pack to L4D and charging full price is disspicable they should be ashamed.
and seriously L4D is the shortest game ive ever played the campaigns last like 20 minutes each.
there expecting 100 bucks for that i dont think so, heres where bit torrent comes in handy.
I thought that developers are ment to try new things once in a while
and take risks(i.e vavle making a ps3 game with their own hands).
By the way this article is stupid the ps3 being to hard to code for and therefore vavle must be A) lazy B) cowards C) enjoy having their games pirated D) love getting bribes from M$ E) just can’t be bothered F) enjoy living in the past.
this Gabe bloke sounds more like that sexist guy who left team ninja has no confidnce in the ps3 and therefore wants to be stupid plus this article is dated like vavle’s games.
Taking risk is why so many developers have gone out of business lately. It’s one thing to do new things, but for a small company(not Valve) to develop on the PS3 they are risking their company if the game doesn’t sell. At least in the beginning it was almost twice as much to develop for the PS3 and if the game didn’t sell, you face bankruptcy. Ninja Theory said they wouldn’t develop exclusively for the PS3 again. Heavenly Sword put them in a huge jam. That’s also a reason so many devs use the Unreal Engine. It makes the programming easier. If so many of you think it’s lazy, do this. Stop paying attention to how much money you make. Just run out and buy the most expensive version of everything you use. See how long you last. I guarantee you’ll be on the street if you don’t still live at home. These companies have budgets. Sony played right into Microsoft’s hands on this. Microsoft said they kept it similar to the PC and provided great tools so that people could concentrate on making a good the gaming experience. Valve is saying that’s why they like the 360. A lot of you say Valve make sh– games anyway, stop complaining then. It’s not like you would have bought them anyway. Either that or you’re complaining because you’re a fanboy.
I notice a lot of the comments complaining lack spelling and grammar…”ur mom”…seriously?
Anyway, Sony paid a LOT of devs to be exclusive to them or to join them as well last gen, then lost all their money paying companies off so they could win the HDDVD format war. Sony was hoping their brand name would save them…
No, the system was never impressive. PS2 had the weakest graphics engine of last gen, and this gen Sony tried too hard to create a media hud and MISSED THE ENTIRE POINT OF A CONSOLE.
Considering it’s prior tactics, justice has been served.
This just shows how lazy and pathetic these developers are! They dont want to do any REAL work, they would rather sit back and rest on their shitty laurels and make the same kind of games they made 10 bloody years ago. No one cares about fukin half-life, not for a LONG time. I cannot stand Valve, arrogant little twats!!
Who the hell cares about graphics? I play PC L4D on the lowest settings and I’m still having a lot of fun playing with friends all over the world for hours and hours (that’s how you’re supposed to play the game, not finish all campaigns in 4 hours and say that it’s boring). If Valve doesn’t want to develop for the PS3 because it’s too complicated, then that’s their choice. People with a PS3 most definitely own a PC, so I don’t see what the problems is.
Moron!! Why would PS3 owners play games on their PC?? Can a PC play GOW? NO!!!
Yes it can, easily. PS3 is already outdated compared to PC’s. PCs are always a head of Consoles, that isn’t going to change.
Crysis> GOw
Because most of the time, the PC gets the best version of multiplat games, you chode.
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Hey I’ve got no problems with lazy devs.
I’d call myself lazy! You know how lazy I am? When a game of such devs is released, I’ll just leech it for PC. I can focus on what I want to do, which is playing games, instead of shopping! I have not chosen to be a gamer because of nice malls. It’s all about my precious ‘gametime’.
(Just a quick note: I own several PC Games, 71 N64 Games, 65 PS2 Games, 11 PSP Games, 22 XBox Games and 29 PS3 Games -> NONE of them is an illegal copy, but hey, Valve doesn’t need my money ^^)
I hope valve go bankrupt for being retarded
This is a funny comments section. I have never seen so many Sony fanboys in one place all venting fail rage at the same target.
To be a coder at Valve you have to undergo gruelling interview process including tests and exams that go up to 12 hours. I think if they wanted to they could design for PS3. The point is that it costs a shed load and you get very little return.
I saw the PS3 OB builds all the way up to release when they were porting it to the PS3 and I can tell you that it had unbelievable amounts of problems that the X360 and PC just didn’t have.
I think Valve have the right to pick and chose what platform they develop for. They have earned that right by consistently producing some of the best games ever made for any platform.
Hey buddy……….. ANY top dev company u join u have to go through a gruelling interview process, including tests and all kinds of BS!! Valve are bitching cuz Sony wont cater to them, M$ on the other hand do!! They pay them to talk shit about the PS3 they pay them to say their games are the best, and little xbot fanboys who dont know nothing about technology gobble it up like the sheep they are!! Valve are just plain lazy, AND I doubt they are even good enuf to make a top class game on the PS3, why else would they keep and keep on complaining! And u KNOW they are full of shite when EVERY other game publisher and studio have said that from now on they will develop on the PS3 first then port to the xbox. Valve are the only ones that dont, cuz they are shit devs, AND they are lazy.
this is so bullshit! Isn’t the Orange box for ps3 as well? The port is perfect and its by the same developers of left for dead. You ask me Valve is just talking shit because microsoft has money to burn and can make them say anything.Including a negative statement that the ps3 is acomplicated system…What assholes. If you ask me valve is saying what microsoft wants them to say. Money will make you do that.
DUH!! Valve have been M$ bitches for some time now, and they are also VERY lazy and they think they are better than they actually are! If they were as good as they say they are they would make a badass PS3 game JUST to show off how good they are. Thats what u do, Ubisoft are making an exclusive for Sony cuz they wanna push the bar, Insomniac exclusivley make games for the PS3 cuz they always wanna push the bar, the same goes for everyone making exclsuives for the PS3 Rockstar included!! If u make an exclusive for M$ its obvious why……………. MONEY!! M$ are ruining future games with all their BS!! But I dont care, Sony studios are the BEST, bring on GOWIII!!
I like how everyone is bashing gabe for his critism for the PS3, yet none of these fan-boys have read how much shit he has given MS for XBOX 360 and Vista. Please inform yourselves before lookng like an asshat..
Gabe Newell on how “Xbox 360 Makes My Life Worse”
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9103/G…My-Life-Worse/
Newell on “Half-Life 2 on Xbox Was a Disappointment”
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12243
Gabe Newell “Explains Why Valve Hates The Mac”
http://kotaku.com/gaming/player-hate…mac-304730.php
Gabe Newell on how “DirectX 10 for Vista was a mistake”
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/94869
HOW ABOUT EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT VALVE! YOU POSTING ON HERE ISNT GOING TO CHANGE THERE MINDS. 360 AND PS3 HAVE THEIR PROS AND CONS! If you guys think that Valves system is shit and need to stop being lazy id like to see you try make the game yourself.. If ya can kudos to you. But if not FUCK OFF
for the record valve dident make the ps3 copy of orange box EA did.
that explains why it had ALOT of problems the PC and 360 copies dident.
every EA game has a shitload of bugs bar dead space and mirrors edge, every other has more bugs than my back yard.
mercenaries 2 need i say more?
Yeah EA are shite!! But Valve should have done the port themselves, but they’re shite!
well guess what? I played the first half life and i never knew what the hell was going on even metal gear made more sense than half life 1 and by the way when are ps3 owner going to get all them patches and DLC which was released for 360 and pc editions of the orange box then? why port a game if your not going to support it? well I’m still waiting for vavle to say something about that. they didn’t even port it themselves instead they made EA do all the hard. plus sony do help 3rd party devs but vavle would probbly say “no we need any help or funding from you Mr.sony we like to develop games on platfroms that are easy to hack so people can pirate them and make mods” and if thats the case why not play UT3 on the ps3 because you can make mods on that game without it been illigeal.
EA paid Valve to let them port Orange Box and it turned out shitty.
And 360 users haven’t had a patch for almost a year now AND NO DLC YET. hurr durr.
The first HL made sense. You’re Gordan Freeman, shit blows up and rips holes in space, aliens appear.
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That’s right, Valve’s LAZY. They should just spend years and years building tools and hiring “cell” programmers to then release a game 5 years from now on the console with the smallest user base (to PS3 fanboys, this means the console that has sold the least amount of units — I’m trying to make it easy for you to understand) Because they’re not really a business, they’re a non-profit organization that is funded by unicorns and other mythological creatures (like Heavy Rain). And PS3 never, ever pays developers to make games on their console — the developers just do it because they don’t want 14 year old illiterate idiots to call them gay and lazy. Also, that lazy Gabe is right now crying on his pile of cash. Which, BTW, is a much larger pile of cash than Naughty Dog and Guerrilla Games combined. Then doubled. The funniest part? Valve made more money on a freakin’ mod than Sony’s made on a game that took 5 years with a multimillion dollar budget (KZ2). Yeah, they may be lazy, but they sure know what business is all about – making money.
I bet if ps3 was the leading console, fat ass Gabe Newel would have no problem making the l4d series on ps3….
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What’s the point of a Ferrari with no steering wheel?
Way to go Valve!..
Okay, so since they’re lazy, they are willing to dissapoint millions of people. Thanks Valve, you suck.
I didn’t say they are lazy I just said that they giving the ps3 a chance to prove it’s not hard to code for. plus the ps3 dev kit cost less than the 360 dev kit (microsoft may give it to you for free but you have to pay them back through the profits you make or so I heard).
when i make my console codenamed V Blitz/Delta G70 (they not the real names I’m going to use o.k) I will make sure that devs get the kits 2 yrs before the launch so devs can get to grips with the hardware which I recommend to the other console makers when they start the next generation console war. I’ll think about launching it in 2017/2021 when the tech I’m after becomes cheaper.
hey hang on I said team ninja not ninja theroy.
team ninja made ninja gaiden the man behind the game is sexist
people hate him M$ love him and when he left team ninja nobody
gave a sh*t about because they hate for meny reason but manly
for been sexist and he had NO COMFIDENCE IN THE PS3 so there you
have it Gabe new best friend next to his M$ cash dispensers and 360
dev kit that works with his pc. just so you know I do have a PS3 and a
Wii plus a PS2 and a GBA. (used to have a PSP Slim & Lite but it ended up the wash thanks to my mum so don’t laugh it ain’t funny)
I really don’t care, it’s not that great of a game. It’s fun, but like a fighting game type of fun, where you only play it when friends come over. In terms of zombie games, I’m looking foward to Dead Rising 2, a game that not only boast a large amount of zombies, but good texture and graphics too.
Sorry my mistake my comment it should been like this
I didn’t say they are lazy I just said that they Not giving the ps3 a chance to prove it’s not hard to code for. plus the ps3 dev kit cost less than the 360 dev kit (microsoft may give it to you for free but you have to pay them back through the profits you make or so I heard).
when i make my console codenamed V Blitz/Delta G70 (they not the real names I’m going to use o.k) I will make sure that devs get the kits 2 yrs before the launch so devs can get to grips with the hardware which I recommend to the other console makers when they start the next generation console war. I’ll think about launching it in 2017/2021 when the tech I’m after becomes cheaper.
More names for my console vote on the one you think is the best
V Blitz
Delta G70
KJC
Gamer’s Eye
The Zone
Gamestan
Super Pixel
NG HD Games
Need the feedback o.k.
No worries for PS3 users. Valve is an outdated, old-timer developer with weak vision, and the lack of talent to produce a top-shelf game. Anyone who believes Left 4 Dead was more than a 2nd class game is out of there mind and has obviously been playing the 360 exclusively, with no clue to what else is out there.
Valve is using the same engine from 5/6 years and they aren’t the best developers of gaming industry. maybe the physics in half life 1and 2 was very good. but today any games that use physX and havoc has better physics than half-life 1 and 2. Things changes.sorry Valve but to me you deserve a very bad future.
wow that just sounds like lazyness not devolping for a other console and there not realiling that they could product extra profit and futhermore i would say valve is a big studio not a small one
Yea its obviously too hard for valve to develop for which is why the orange box never cam… oh it did come out for PS3… weird. Nice try Valve its just tooo harrrdd for us to devewop fooo ohhhh
Wow, people are so sad.
You spend like hours on here having a pissy fit because Valve wont develop for PS3.
Stfu and deal with it. Retards. They are their own developers, they can develop for who they fucking want to develop for and a bunch of sad losers on an internet site aren’t going to make them change their mind.
Want to go play valves games? Go buy a 360 or PC. Dont want to play Valves games? Then stfu and stop whining you fat losers.
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